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November 02, 2005

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Debby

Absolutely incredible writing and experience. You have a real talent for telling a tale. I remember seeing a "donkey show" in Tijuana once when my hubby and I were down there. It was, hmmmm, an unforgettable experience in itself. Didn't see by choice either, stumbled into it by accident, but you don't pass that by once you are there. Can't wait for the next installment.

oldwhitelady

Eye-opening! Sad for the girls. Sad for the children diving for coins. Ugh! I, too, will tune in for the next installment.

Kevin Hayden

The thing I've never understood is why anyone older than 15 would even want to have sex with a 13 year old.

Great storytelling, but I find it a sad comment on the guys that'd do that, and the brass that promoted it.

GRUMPY OLD MAN

Beautiful! Great writing about something I knew all about but had forgotten. I grew up on the West Coast, part of the time spent in Bremerton which was a Navy town so everybody had been there or at least knew someone or had a family member that had been there.

And later,in the 50's, I was stationed in El Paso just across the river from Jaurez, Mex. and it was pretty much the same. Yes sir, spreding democracy the American way was our "Mission!"

RODREKO

A very well written account on an interesting subject. I was stationed at Subic from '81-'82. Most of your points are accurate although somewhat exaggerated. What I really enjoyed is that the Filipino people as a whole are some of friendliest and kindest people in the world. And I have been to many, many countries. Out in the Barrio, away from town, out a dirt road to a nipa hut with no electricity... I had some of the most wonderfull times of my life, and that is what I remember best.

Charles Harding

I was a Fleet Sailor in the 70's who visited Subic. It was like the Vikings going ashore. Hi! I'm Charlie- Ugly American.

Great writing- captures the corruption, pathos, and steam beutifully. Thanks.

Gene Williamson

story well told, I experienced Po town at the very young age of 18, raised in a small country town.. what a eye brow raiser! I was in Heaven, having been a virgin till up to then.. As for the people.. most friendly and for the most part, honest people Ive met.. was there in the 70s and aboard Uss Ranger during Veitnam, was a home away from home.. Good job.

Ronnie Moore

I spent some great times over there back in 1974-1976 I was on the USS Sacramento AOE1 (sac}. I seen some things over there that was unreal. Would love to do it again. Every man should spend some time there.If you ever been there you know what Im saying.So if I HAD ONE WISH IN MY LIFE IT WOULD BE TO GO BACK AND LIVE 74-76 AGAIN

R.E.W.

Been there, Done that. I was 19-24. I am not proud of all the stuff I did. But I never understood what guys saw in the little girls. Towards the end I just hung out with one girl and didn't even have sex with her. She was pregnant by another sailor off another ship. I married a Filina I met here in the states. I have been back to PI a couple times since my Navy days. For those of you who can't believe this stuff went on I can attest it did and even more. It was unreal.

The Fat Lady Sings

Thanks’ for commenting, R.E.W. Seeing the exploitation of those children really upset me too. I was doubly angry at the military's complicity in it all. Do you remember when they closed Clark and Subic down? After that volcano exploded? There were some ex-prostitutes who tried to get the military to step up and help out - prostitutes who rightly claimed that they had been exploited. The Philippine economy really tanked when the military left; and anyone who was a prostitute (especially those who’d had American sailor’s and soldiers children) was being ostracized. These women wanted to come to America – they needed help for their kids. I remember seeing a contingent of them on the Donohue show back in the early 90's. The military was disclaiming any complicity in promoting prostitution in P.I. Called the women liars and whores. I was so angry. The military needed to step up and do what was right. I guess they didn't want it known that they had fostered a climate were child prostitution was condoned.

Staff Seargent Manolo, USN, retired

While some of the story may be true, such as the diving for coins, and the girls, many of the points are extremely exagerated. Further, since it is posted by a "lady", how would she know the actual details?

The way I experienced it is more accurately described at this link:

http://filipinawives.com/memorial.html

So at least allow both sides of the story to be told, including the details of how many of the people were brought out of that miserable existence, and now have extremely happy lives, that they could never have had otherwise.

Also, the area is completely cleaned up now that the bases are closed. The polution is gone, no public sex ever occurs, and Las Vegas has 10 times worse prostitution than could be found in the entire PI country now that the USA is no longer in charge.

Don't believe it? Try going there.

Jekyl

I was there in '89-90 as a US Marine. I was 19 when I arrived. The policy at my command was that you had to wait at least 1 week before being allowed to go out in town, and then with someone who'd been there a while.

During that week, I heard tales I couldn't believe. Then before we left, our senior enlisted man gave us the speech, best summarized as "When in Rome, do as the Romans do; when in the Philippines, do the Philippinas.

As another poster said, I am not proud of all my activities there, but I can confirm 'smiles' and seeing the 'peso shows' were a right of passage. I never got the whole young girl thing either... In my time, for the most part the younger girls were kept out of the bars. I had a regular woman I saw for most of my time there and she was probably 10 years older then I was. She taught me things that I doubt another 19 year old in the world knew.

But as the original post said, there was nothing beyond the reach of someone with a twisted mind and the cash to pay for it.

The conditions were bad for many of the girls there. Some came from small farms to try to feed their families. Some were there because it afforded them a lifestyle of wealth. I remember going to one womans house to see my company commanders dog tags hanging on her wall of fame. She had, literally; hundreds of sets of dog tags.

Overall, pretty accurate descriptions though. The roads, the bugs, (we called the roaches B-52's because when they flew by your head, it sounded like a plane overhead) and the humidity. 5 minutes outside and you were soaked, rain or shine!

Keep up the good work, I enjoyed your post.

david

It wasn't just butterfly knives. I was stationed at the hospital 82-84 and saw one instance where a hook stabbed her cheating boyfriend with a bamboo barbaque skewer and hit 3 major organs.

What you say is mostly true.

Tom

my first visit was 4-67 thru clark afb. sure sounds like the subic I knew. sick on bad san miguel. monkey meat on a stick. The transit barracks were along the shit river. I loaded aircraft at cubi point 24 on 24 off. C130s full of beer for Viet Nam we also sorted mail for the different ships. Pulled in many times till 11-68 on CVS-20always had a great time when in subic. The donkey act was on stage where the street had a bend to the right. Cigarettes in machines in town were knock offs in american wrappers. drove a local guy nuts we asked him for a duncan yoyo. He had 20 watches but know yoyo.

J.A.

Greetings; The best stories R shared with a name, a toast & a smile...& yes it happened.

Howard MIelcarski

I was on the USS Contellation in 1974 CVA 64 back then. I don't really know why but I have been missing the PI. And yes most of the story is true, altrough I never went to Angel City. Does any one remember the 3rd Eye Bar. I had the best time of my life there. I will always remember it. I wish I could go back.

Chief JD Long

Your story is a little exagerated and sounds like a second hand story. Also, none of the bars were owned by Chiefs as foreigners cannot own property there. I do not recall it like you do.

DAVE RICE

I WAS THERE FROM NOVEMBER OF 1957 TILL OCTOBER OF 1959, STATIONED AT CUBI POINT NAS. THE STORY HAS SOME RING OF TRUTH FROM MY TIME BUT IS MOSTLY EXAGGERATED BEYOND BELIEF AND INACCURATE IN MANY RESPECTS. THE BUTTERFLY KNIFE HAS ONLY ONE BLADE, BUT A SPLIT HANDLE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO "FLIP" IT OPEN. AMERICANS COULD NOT OWN PROPERTY IN THE P.I. UNLESS MARRIED TO A FILIPINA AND THEN ONLY SHE COULD HAVE PROPERTY IN HER NAME. THERE WERE NO ANIMAL ACTS IN ANY OF THE BARS IN OLONGAPO. IT WASN'T ANGEL CITY, IT WAS ANGELES CITY JUST OUTSIDE CLARK AFB. IT SEEMS THE AUTHOR IS REPEATING STORIES TOLD AND EMBELLISHING THEM TO A GREAT DEGREE....BUT.......I HAVE SEEN PHOTOS OF THE AREA FROM THE 'NAM ERA AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT DEGENERATED A LOT INTO MOSTLY "SEX IN THE CITY".

jack leroy knight

I was on the valley forge 64 to 67. I know for a fact that i could smell Subic Bay 2 days out . Thats no joke guys But in the evening when the sun went down all I could smell was honeysuckel flowers , beer , monky on a stick . Now if I ever get lonely for that smell I just pull in to the local truckstop . Its waiting thar fo yee


jack leroy knight

IVE GOTTA FEELING THERS A LOT OF OLE SWABBYS OUT THERE THAT HAS ALOT UNDER THERE HAT . THAT JUST NO WAY IN HELLS GONA TELL THEM OLD OLONGAPOO STORYS . WHY IF OLE GRAMAW KNEW WHAT GRAMPAW WAS UP TO BACK THEN WHY SHEED CUT EEMM OFF . NOW I MEAN CUT HIM OFF BUDDY . FRED WOULD NO LONGER LIVE, GET IT ? NOW MY FIRST WIFE WAS JUST THAT WAY SO I GOT RID OF HER . MY SECOND WIFE WELL SHE COULD SMOKE MORN I MADE SO I GOT RID OF HER . NOW MY THERD WIFE JUST LAUGHS ALL THE TIME SO WE GET ALONG FINE WITH THE OLE SUBIC BAY MEMORIES . SO YOU OLD SALTS MITE WANNA TRADE THAT MODEL A IN FOR A NEW PORSH YAA BABY . LITE UM UP......FATJAX

jack leroy knight

BACK DURING THE VIET NAM THING OF THE 60S I REMEMBER OUR SHIP BEING LOADED OFF SHORE IN LONG BEACH CALIF. NOW FOR ALMOST THREE WEEKS THIS WENT ON WITH AMO , STORES , FUEL AND BBLS OF AGENT ORANGE . NOW WHEN WE FINELY GOT TO SUBIC BAY THEY STARTED UNLOADING ALL THAT I SAID . THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY STARTED LOADING IT ALL BACK UP AGEN . I ASK A CHIEF BOATS NEXT TO ME WHAT GIVES ? HE SAID BECAUSE IF WE WENT DIRECTLY TO VIETNAM IT WOULD BE A ACT OF WAR . NOW FROM WHAT I SAW OF THAT MESS IT WASENT NO TEA PARTY . I GESS IM SLOW ...FATJAX

jack knight

IM GETTEN TARD OF WATEN ON ALL YALL TA SEND IN A YAHOO . SO HERE MY FAT ASS IS AGEN. NOW IVE SAID MY THANG ON SUBIC . BUT YA KNOW NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT . I COULD SMELL LONG BEACH & SAN DIEGO 2 DAYS OUT ; SO I GESS IT ANT NO BIG THANG . COME ON ALL YOU JAKAZZEZ BARK A LITTLE BET LET US KNOW YOUR STILL KICKEN GUYS & GALS ................FATJAX

jack knight

did some one die ? what happend to this site ? fatjax

Deborah

OMG, I lived in the PI's for three years. I remember The Third Eye, The Nipa Hut, opening a random bar door downtown, just to see a naked woman dancing right in front of the door. I was a 21 yr old wife. My ex was all over the base, and was in charge of Ladies Night at the NCO Club. He was a stripper himself. Boy the PI's destroyed my marriage. That was 25 yrs ago. My two boys were born there, and they are now grown. The Philippines was an experience I will never forget.

cass rodriguez

i was in subic from 1951=1953.just a hand full of sailors then,and nothing like this went on.all no ships ever came to subic except merchant ships once in a long while.i was on a ytb [yard tugboat] and when a ship came in to port we would take a pilot to that ship to guide it in the bay.things started to change after we brought in the troop transport with the seabees to commence on the airfield.[cass rodriguez ]

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